City of Vancouver and VPD: Green police state has begun

By Justin, ILCD founder and editor

Here comes a very special and very personal post. Our website has just surpassed one hundred thousand unique visitors and over 500 articles from some of the best scientists, journalists, and freedom fighters on the planet. We thank all of the contributors, submissions, and news tips sent by all of you.

To mark this special occasion, I coincidentally had a run in with a very scary new “green” authoritarian organization right here in my backyard. This group of legalized criminals is better known as the Vancouver Police Department. Yes yes I know, they’re small potatoes compared to our real enemies at the US administration and the UN which we fight against daily. But nevertheless, the day that many people have feared has arrived. The day that carbon cops coming to visit and ticketing us for living our normal lives. It’s here.

So, what was the police visit about, you ask. Well, no, it had nothing to do with this website, our mission, and our constant fight for the green truth. They weren’t acting as thought police, don’t worry. In fact, it wasn’t about any real crime at all. It was all about the VPD enforcing a feely-goody nonsensical bylaw on a taxpayer who pays their fat salaries.

They decided to send a V8-powered Ford Crown Victoria all the way across town to, get this, tell me to turn off my truck engine! I’m not making this up.

As all our Vancouver readers likely know thanks to the hundreds of taxpayer-funded propaganda street signs all over the city, it is against a city bylaw to idle your vehicle engine for more than three minutes. It is, of course, a bylaw that makes absolutely no scientific sense and should be ignored and protested at every opportunity. Cops leave their cars running for full shifts, hypocrites. And any city bylaw that doesn’t apply to a police car running its engine most certainly doesn’t apply to my car. Police are not above the law, despite their actions to the contrary and whatever fine print is included in the bylaw. Public perception and how officers conduct themselves is all that matters.

It is below freezing tonight thanks to global warming, and as any good mechanic will tell you, it is best to ALWAYS run your engine for five to ten minutes to properly warm it up and get the juices flowing BEFORE you drive. Especially large engines and older engines. There is simply no such law or peace officer who has any right whatsoever to instruct a citizen how to properly start and maintain his/her vehicle.

Furthermore, all vehicles registered here in Vancouver are inspected by AirCare which ensures that vehicle emissions systems are functioning properly. To be precise, if your car passes AirCare, that means your catalytic converter is working properly and your vehicle is emitting primarily CO2 (plant food) instead of actual harmful substances. The officers didn’t get that memo. One of them even claimed “It’s for the environment!” as she handed me the ticket. Oh wait, you mean like pretty much every single eco-scam money grab in existence these days? Yeah, thought so. She’s the criminal, not me. Just like Gordon Campbell, our Premiere, is an even bigger criminal thanks to his carbon taxes imposed on all citizens of this province.

Thanks to the hugely successful environmentalist campaigns we always talk about here which have managed to convince many average Joe’s that CO2 is a “pollutant”, that has become the very basis for this city bylaw along with curbing “GHG” emissions they still believe are harmful. (“Bylaws” are certainly not the law of the land, and the more of them that are created the less significant they all seem to become. This one is beyond common sense)

At any given time you’re always doing something illegal no matter what, and therefore the police can harass you whenever they want. That’s not much of an exaggeration.

But here’s where it gets even more insane: Of course it’s perfectly okay to DRIVE AROUND for ten minutes, but if your vehicle is stopped, they can hit you with a fine! This is madness, a slap in the face to our rights, and due to the enforcement officers’ decision to serve me with a fine tonight, I’m fighting back. Funny, how the police actually cause their own battles, eh? They could have expressed their opinion on the matter or better yet, do what feels right. Instead, like the drones that they are, they must do everything by the book and trained to immediately intimidate if you show resistance. Or maybe they actually buy into the carbon-is-bad religion? I don’t know, but I attempted conversation. No dice. Here’s your fine, good night. As soon as they left I started my engine. Assholes. And yes, they were videotaped. I will catch them doing something wrong at any opportunity possible.

This entire issue must be fought, and I shall never pay any fine which is immoral to me. It’s immoral because there is no reason for this bylaw aside for making money for the city coffers and giving the police yet another reason to make themselves feel powerful. Any law or bylaw as assinine as this heeds no respect and I do not recognize the authority of anyone who attempts enforcement of it. I don’t give a rats ass if you have a badge, you’re not doing your duty as a peace officer if this is how you earn your payroll. And, as I told it to their faces, it’s beyond ridiculous and I will fight it.

It is unthinkable that it takes them over half an hour to show up if your house is broken into (if they show at all), but within ten minutes they’re harassing someone for the horrible crime of warming up their vehicle. Why? Easy money. Or perhaps some greenie complained thanks to their new “weapon”. If this is not the true beginning of a green police state, I don’t know what is. Now, just imagine if those UN criminals in Copenhagen manage to get even deeper into our lives. Will the VPD and RCMP attempt to enforce “carbon limits” through various laws and bylaws such as this? Will you be told to turn off and restart your engine at red lights and traffic jams, therefore ruining your starter and causing unneccesary wear and tear on your engine?

Time to speak up. And if the UN, federal government, RCMP, and local police start restricting travel rights and threaten property rights, then it’s time to arm yourself, Canadians. Not just physically but also with knowledge. This “bylaw” is a small step towards a much scarier picture, such as the proposed Cap-and-tax legislation being pushed by the Obama administration. Part of that legislation calls for issuing fines to homeowners if their house isn’t deemed “energy efficient” enough. And charging you with “unlawfully occupying” your own home. I know that Americans will not stand for that, and will fight back with force if necessary.

What I’m dealing with here is just the beginning of that nightmare. Cops already have a false sense of authority in many regards, such as driving rights VS what the police like to call driving “privileges”, dealing with “Motor Vehicle acts” and so-called bylaws that hamper our inalienable right to drive. Another unrelated matter I looked into was regarding the VPD being under the delusion they have any right to tell a citizen that they cannot be in a public park or beach after 10pm (yes, it’s another city bylaw with no teeth). Turns out the VPD are out to lunch on that one too, and consistently violate people’s rights anyhow. Is it just bad training? Probably. Is it also our fault? Yes. People need to learn their rights. But cops believe what they’re told, and they don’t expect us to be armed with knowledge they are either unaware of or don’t care about.

On this site, we usually hit much larger issues. But when bylaws that affect our everyday lives are applied, and are based on an ideology instead of facts and science, we’ll speak up. And never forget that your basic common-law rights supersede even the Charter and constitutions and cannot be affected by any legislations that impact your rights. Is idling a right? Well, owning personal property (your car) and being told you can’t use it as it was intended, use it for comfort (heat/AC), use it to keep it maintained (battery), warm it up properly in the cold, etc etc etc, is certainly unacceptable and outside the jurisdiction of those who supposedly serve and protect us.

This anti-idle bylaw is logistically unenforceable, is a money grab, scientifically invalid, and is nothing more than a PR campaign for the new “Green Vancouver” image our city officials have been trying to push on the world. And of course, it helps secure the voters on the left. I will absolutely not pay this fine, and any action to reach into my wallet, hamper my vehicle, impede my travel, or just waste my time, either by the city or VPD is equal to a criminal act in my opinion.

In protest, I will be running the truck every night for ten thirty minutes, and will record a video of this “unlawful act” while parked in front of the new Carbon Cop station itself. (Watch for video soon)

The pair who visited tonight (badge #’s PC2659, PC2553) should be ashamed, their boss should be held accountable, and the COV and VPD can take turns sucking on my exhaust. That’s the closest they’ll ever get to my money.

This article and my defiance would not exist if they had not decided to issue me with their fake fine for breaking their fake laws. This is not about the $45 ticket, it’s about honesty and common sense. If we allow this to continue, where will it end? And let’s put things in perpective while we’re at it. Millions of us fight against the UN and the world’s wealthy elitists who are pushing their CO2-is-evil hoax on the public, and we have been gaining strong ground. Thanks to the Climategate scandal and a massive 360 degree turn in public opinion, we are winning the green battle. Hundreds of people show up to anti-Al Gore protests on a regular basis. Imagine if the police started enforcing this phony CO2 bylaw on a wide scale!

The UN is beginning to run scared, scientists are speaking out, people are stepping down, and media coverage is helping our cause. Do local police departments and local city councils really think they’re going to intimidate and bully us? I think not. And I won’t play along.

Regards, and 100,000+ thanks to all our readers,


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Those interested in reading more about the VPD and RCMP “serving and protecting” Canada, please click here and here, and support your local Copwatchers such as this one. Although police power abuse is a subject for a different website, I’m sure many of you are interested. Especially now that it’s hitting home.

UPDATE 1: Prominent scientist emails the City of Vancouver.
UPDATE 2: Another local reader gets hit by the carbon clowns.

Please leave your comments. What would YOU do if you faced this situation? What should the Police do? Should this bylaw be fought in court? Your comments will be included in a submission to the VPD as well as to our Mayor and City Council. Thanks! (Comment approval is delayed up to a few hours so don’t be surprised if your comment takes a while to appear)

13 thoughts on “City of Vancouver and VPD: Green police state has begun”

  1. Justin, good on you for adding extra carbon dioxide to our starving atmosphere. We all need to add the maximum we can. Plants are desperate for it and it has a nil effect on the climate. Nobody has any credible proof of any of the scares we've been fed. Bunch of green liars are running our world. Zealots who hate progress and wealth and achievements. Go to Court with any fine that you get and demand to see actual observed evidence that carbon dioxide affects temperature – in the open-to-space atmosphere – not in a lab flask, that's cheating! Any gas in any flask will increase the temperature. Out in the open-to-space atmosphere any gas will act as an additional cooling agent; quite the opposite of what the zealots have told you.

  2. Early days perhaps, but look where you might be heading – in the words of an East German dismayed by the greenies:

    "Leute wie Sie standen auf den Mauer-Wachtürmen der roten Sozialisten, Sie überwachten die Wachtürme der braunen Sozialisten. Und, …, Leute Ihres Schlages werden auf den Wachtürmen der grünen Sozialisten stehen und deren Umerziehungslagern zu klimatologisch korrekten Staatsbürgern."

    ("People like you stood in the guard towers of the red socialists' wall, they stood in the brown[shirt] socialists' guard towers. And people of your stripe will stand in the guard towers of the green socialists and their re-education camps for climatologically correct citizens.")

    Source via:

  3. Next time you want to idly idle, first load your truck with sacks of pot and a gay midget or two and you'll get a pass. Works every time in Ontario.

  4. Whats on my mind? Whilst reading your funny but tragic story, I couldn't help but humm that old "Cheap Trick" song. Slightly modified of course. Maybe some talented wags can re record it for you tube…

    “The green police
    They live inside of my head,
    The green police
    They come to me in my bed,
    The green police
    They’re coming to arrest me
    Oh no

    ‘Cause they’re waiting for me
    Looking for me
    Every single night
    They’re driving me insane
    Those green men inside my brain”

    I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

    Sad days indeed.

  5. Congrats on the big number Justin. At the rate we're going, it will probably only be a few years before the climate Nazi's are sent out every time you open up a bottle of Pepsi. Remember, the stated goal of the U.N. and alarmists alike is to change peoples behaviour.

  6. Hi J,

    I would say unbelievable but these kind of crazy laws are becoming the norm now. I am glad that you are fighting back and defending your own rights bud.
    Here in the UK some local councils have now started micro-chipping wheelie bins (garbage cans) and if you put your bin out for collection too early or bring it in too late then they know about it and lo and behold a fine appears. Imagine using GPS to track rubbish bins lmfao. I have never paid their fines!

    Keep going with the site as it is a great source of information.


  7. Justin – Hi from Liverpool in the UK. Thanks for the warning. AGW Alarmists are trying to take control here aswell. I will spread the news about your experience with the police / eco-fascists, this is the thin end of the wedge.

  8. Awhile back, just for fun I called VPD and tried to get them to enforce that law on the hundred or so buses and giant trucks from the U2 concert at GM place . . . they were parked all over Pacific Blvd and every frik'n one had the engine idling for hour after hour after hour.

    They wouldn't do it . . . they can grant exemptions for "special" people it seems.

  9. Here in London, Ontario we also had a retarded Idling by-law implemented. To celebrate, I went and bought an older car with a 5.0 litre V8. It runs great and does not shutdown at traffic lights, train crossings, parking lots or anywhere else unless I'm getting out for a reason.


    I am a rational adult, capable of making my own decisions based on logic and common-sense, something these Enviro-Nazi's have long abandoned.

  10. Sent off this email to the Vancouver Green Nazi headquarters:

    I can't believe some of the bad information on your anti-idling website.

    On your "Be Idle Free" page, you keep talking about "modern engines" as if everyone has a new car. And you keep talking about greenhouse gases as if that was in fact an issue. Perhaps you are completely unaware of the massive revolt against the greenhouse-gas-is-bad theory, the thousands of scientists who are speaking out against global warming theory, and the turn in public opinion on the matter. Less than half now believe in the great green myth of CO2 being evil, when in fact CO2 is a PLANT FOOD. That and the fact the planet has been cooling for a decade now.

    Please, stop the lies. And I will be running my engine daily as needed for heat and for power requirements/charging as I spend many hours per week working out of my vehicle. You have no right to tell me otherwise. I have no tolerance for those who would enforce a bylaw based on inaccurate science and a religious ideology. It is akin to becoming a green police state.

    Noise and vehicle theft is one thing, and is a legitimate concern when dealing with people leaving their cars running unattended, but when someone is in their running vehicle it would be prudent advice to back off.

    If you hadn't mentioned the GHG's and the claim about only needing 30 seconds to warm a vehicle up, in WINTER, then I may have disregarded this whole issue. That is false, as GHG's are not harmful whatsoever, and unless you happen to have a new vehicle, over 5 minutes is preferable warm up time in winter for many vehicles, depending on age and engine. Waiting for normal operating temperature is optimal. Do not attempt to educate me on how an engine works, I've had years of practice. I currently run an engine with over 300,000 km's on it, and it still purrs like new. I know how to properly maintain and operate an engine, thank you very much. Driving away after only 30 seconds of warming up in near-zero degree temperatures is very damaging and sometimes dangerous depending on idle speeds and many other factors.

    As well, other cities that have adopted such bylaws have provisions allowing idling for heat and air conditioning use, as long as the vehicle is occupied. This is much more acceptable, although I'd like to see an enforcement officer try to tell me not to idle on my own driveway. Then all hell would break loose.

    On a final note, since I now see how silly the basis of the whole bylaw is I'm not going to just shut up. I have managed to publicize this issue to thousands already through my website and subsequently many others through other websites, and will be working on future campaigns to knock the wind out of your big green money coffer machine.

  11. If Vancouver City Council really cared about excessive idling they would add turn lanes(instead of eliminating them re Pacific Blvd at Davie and Drake), they would program traffic lights at night to run on sensors instead of timing(re Quebec at Terminal Ave, a 2 minute wait), they would program turn arrows to run on sensors(re Granville at W16th and a lot more). I am not sure what is wrong with this city's way of thinking, they claim to be green pioneers but I think "The Best City In The World" moniker speaks volumes about their blindness to the flaws and their inability to pay attention to what is really needed. The only good move they have made is to transform the intersection at Terminal & Main into a "sensor" type of control, if they can continue this trend I might think they are on the job to make a difference.

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